The Great Vanilla Revival Initiative: Discussion (Page 2 of 5)

Great posts, learning to play vanilla is certainly hard but also brings great fun, so for everyone looking for a challenge to their skill: try to be good at standard gametype.

just droppin this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R6WHYHqsoc

and leaving for good again

In the original post, the "XonX" made me laugh. Just so you know, in English most would call that a Free For All or a FFA.

Nah, this is both right and wrong, firstly, I have no experience on meeting cruel cool player, I am not a newbie myself.
But those who just kill deliberately precisely because the game is NOT ego-driven, it is competition-driven(CTF) or DEATHMATCH-driven(DM,TDM).

So, to balance things out, if i win too much, I often try smile away using emo and ask them whether they know they can tune mousesens or tell them exactly why they lose. I don't know how many people do that, but this should fix the arrogance.

Yes I had one here now its gone...maybe magnet removed it?

I agree many people are still discouraging new players to play tw by kicking them for '-1 POINTS' (legitimate reason).

Yo, this is my first and might be last post here. I just want to clear something to all those players who whine about pros and how arrogant they are.
Yes i consider myself as decent player so i have all rights to share my view of you, lower skilled players.

First of all that story regarding pros and how they ruin TW  is pathetic. If you had bad time with some "pro" players, that doesn't necessary mean that all of "pros" are bad. I put pros word under "" because there is no real pros in teeworlds. For me professional player is the one who earn money while playing game, we know that that's impossible in TW but ok let's keep pro word for high skilled players.

Ludini if i remember correct you started to play vanilla like month ago? Then tried to join clan, and then you got rejected right? Or you gave up, not sure. After that i havent seen you on any vanilla server trying to find game (i consider myself pretty active on vanilla lately) so i dont really understand when you got banned and when. Especially regarding your post which got deleted because you tried to shame Magnet saying how he flamed you, calling you noob or whatever. Even if he said so, it's not wrong right? After all you are noob compared to him, and calling someone noob shouldnt be offensive word, it means you are newbie or newcomer for him which is true, because he plays for long time.
If i remember correct from you last post, you said something like, pros play so good against lowskilled players, they dont give them a chance. (it wasnt exactly written like that, but i think i got main point)
Are you serious about this? So if someone is better than you they shouldn't play for real but rather let you win? Where is fun in that? Why the hell should other ppl play bad on purpose just because you cant improve yourself? please...
If you are smart enough, and if you love vanilla so much those things wont ruin your game experience it should do the oposite and motivate you. Why cant you just go find ppl of your skill level, then play games with them and improve yourself? And once you improve yourself you can come and greet us. Or how about this, why dont YOU go and MAKE a clan yourself, find few friends assemble team and train. So one day, maybe you can win against those "arrogant bastards and self claimed pros"? Trust me it will be better for you and for whole vanilla community that way.

Now topic regarding vanilla revival. It wont happen, at least not with ppl like  Ludini who prefer to blame others for their own failures. TW isnt dead because of pros, it's dead because of ppl laziness. There is no motivation for lower skilled players to improve themself, not because pros ruin the fun but because there is no proper satisfaction, there is no obvious goal in vanilla, unlike race or ddrace where you compete with others and you have ladders. Everyone want to be pro in their small virtual world but usually the one who whine, want to be pros without much effort which is impossible.
Oh i almost forgot, all those ppl who get banned or kicked by pros, and then later cry about that, have BAD behavior or just troll around and show no respect to others.

(I secretly hope that vanilla will finally revive and shine like in old times)

Cheers,
~MM

Don't see anyone raging about this. MMilos was just stating what he read and has observed. You cannot really talk about a community you aren't a real part of and in everyday. Stating generic things from some the players behavior doesn't pertain to all or the entire community as a whole. Obviously some bad apples can't depict all. Anyway.

Isn't what Magnet calling for, what the USA community is doing? They are playing mid-level games with mid-level players. Although USA is different for ping reasons. Not all are willing to play in German servers, and they shouldn't have to. Do not see what you are trying to make out of talking about the USA scene from this. I am a very active player of both scenes for those that do not know.

I can only think of some "pros" that raged at the mid-level players, i myself was a part of this at one point. Higher level people want to play with tees that know at least some common sense in how team play works. If you keep doing the same simple mistakes over and over again after being told what not to do i can see some raging over this. (It happens in most, if not all, competitive scenes.)  It is an obvious outcome. How the person rages is up to the person themselves, and shouldn't be characterized as the ENTIRE community.

No one is saying the entire community acted poorly.

Even in this thread I'm being called bitter and pathetic and not part of the community, but I guess that's ok with you. Frankly, at this point I don't care anymore. My only point was anyway, that in my opinion it kept back some players interested in getting better. It certainly isn't worth arguing about here for me.

Just wanted to tell the reasons why I and many other vanilla pros play barely or not anymore. Of course it is unfair but does it change the fact that there is no new content by devs? No. It would be nice to have new content by them at least every year but I know that it depends on the activity of the devs and I don't demand anything as they are not paid for it. It is just a simple fact for those devs who want teeworlds to be active.

Anyway, I didn't want to express with the post that I want or need new content from the devs to get me back to Teeworlds but I rather wanted to address the problem that the vanilla community is too stubborn to play new maps. I don't know why as there is pretty good custom content out there.

Well, if devs don't want to implement something like that(I don't demand it although I don't really know why it is a problem) I can undertand why people switch to DDraceNetwork(working even without accounts!) or Teerace or another game.

Little information: I didn't knew that vanilla exists until I found a pro ctf1 server after 3 years of playing and something like highlighting those servers by putting them at the top of the search list would help already(or a ranked system of course).

Yo, time for me to interfere once again

@Broken you maybe didnt say that entire community acted poorly but you said that pros are acting like jerks which is totally not true. I dont see why are you blaming pros after all? As many of us vanilla players said, if few guys did something bad to you that doesnt mean everyone is bad. Now ill give you few situations so you can see what is going on on EU servers at least i have no idea how it is on US servers.

Situation #1 Imagine that noob or newbie player who just discovered teeworlds start game and somehow come across server where pros are playing cap game. Then he joins red or blue team, pros who wants to play cap game first tell him on English to go spec but since that noob is from some foreign country and doesnt know english he just ignore that. After that pros call vote or force him to join spec. After he is spec he immediately joins in again. So they again force him to spec and this happens 2-3 more times after they are bored of him they kick/ban him.
Situation #2 Imagine mid skilled player. He wont be picked during cap game, or he will be picked but at end due to lack of players. So after game starts pros realise how shitty that player is, they try to give him few tips and tell him to play better but then pride from that mid skilled player comes to surface he start to say "het gtfo with your tips, who are you to tell me how to play" and then he gets banned. It happened few times trust me
Situation #3 On most of servers if you show high skill to noob, they will just call vote to ban you with reason "botter", see it's not only pros who ban ppl and do bad things.

Then after all of that someone comes and cry on forum how pros are evil? Yea they are so mean... please, be realistic they ban you because they have right to. It's probably their server where you behaved bad and didnt follow rules or you have no basic idea what's going on. It doesnt matter, no one will allow you to ruin their games.

I dont blame noobs neither, they have no idea what is going on, that's why TW need some sort of basic information ingame, like tips and servers need to be filtered so you know what to expect before you join, is it high skilled server or low skilled server. Who i mostly blame are those mid skilled players who are too lazy to do anything, they would rather cry around and whine how pros are evil because they are not picked in cap games, or they are bunch of flamers. You know before there werent cap games i was raised on normal public games and by playing together with my clan. Cap games were developed later, by pros when scene went a bit inactive, so they would have some fun if they are not able to play CW. Im not fan of cap games neither they are 98% of times unbalanced and it's really shitty experience. That's why im not playing cap games most of time.
Now Broken you said aswell that pros only like to play against pros? That's not true, we (my clan) accept any kind of challenge. If you want to fight us on CW come and fight us we dont have problem playing against stronger or weaker opponents, and i think all clans think like this.

Vanilla is dieing and will die eventually if older players stop to play. But there is simple solution, instead of crying and b*tching around you, mid skilled players who still enjoy vanilla but you cant play because of arrogant pros, you can go find ppl of your level and practice anytime or guess what? you could make freaking clans. It's not like you need money to form a clan right? You just need to find ppl with who you enjoy to play and waste your time. (this part is not about you broken but i just want to express what's the main problem) Playing together with friends will give you much better time than playing solo, and CW's are usually much more funnier and intense than public games.

@Cartman
Well i agree with you in some parts. Like the one where you talked about ranked and matchmaking. Lack of that makes TW not competitive game enough at least for vanilla. As you know there is no motivation for someone to improve as most of player have no clue how intense 5on5 ctf2 game can be. There is no ladder or any way of ranking so you cant see and showoff who are best among players. Unlike Race or ddrace where you have top5 list on everymap, and you have simple goal, to be fastest and be #1. But without account system nothing of that will be possible on vanilla, and account system will probably never come to teeworlds.
When it comes to part where you talked about custom maps. I have no idea what are you talking about I never ever saw you ask us (or my clan) about playing CW or something else on custom map. We (my clan) never refuse that, we are glad to test maps if there is good one, give our opinions and even play CW's or CG's on those maps. And about fly mode, i wont play it and im sure my teammates share same thoughts. Why? Because CW besides vanilla is senseless in my eyes and i dont find fly funny at all. (yea i never played fly i probably suck there )

There is still hope, that some minor stuff can revive vanilla. Guys there is enough mid skilled players out there, form clans, unite, play together and try to be the best (if you want to) or just come to beat those pros who hurted you badly? Ha! how about that, yea if you try hard enough maybe you can surpass pros. Why dont you try that? but rather you like to blame them.
Ill say once and for all, you can play any mod be that ddrace or insta or pure race, if you are not part of vanilla community don't trash talk as this is not your business. There are few bad persons among high skilled players but they are minimal, dont judge everyone and put them title "BAD" above them just because of few guys.

~MM