How to get more players (Page 1 of 2)

we do not need new players, we need to keep the ones who play vanilla teeworlds.
Making DDRace official? lol

Let me correct my message:
The top priority question should be: how can we keep vanilla players?
Ofc we need new players to compensate for the standard loss we have. (Standard fluctuation)

Besides there are a lot of possibilities to make teeworlds more popular without any need to spend money
--> spreading links on various blogs (tech blogs, game blogs, linkdumps, ...)
--> asking old school magazines to review it
--> providing prewritten texts for press releases incl. screenshots, logo ...
...

Hi
No need to be condesending.

I believe we can keep ctf  players by introducing new ctf players so there is more competition. Or another way is to introduce new mechanics which make the game more challenging so there will be less new players but the existing players will stick around to master those mechanics but what will stop them from being bored again?

We need new players to compensate for the standard loss we have but how do we do that when the tiny amount of  new players go to ddrace or try ctf, get wrecked and then leave. Maybe you dont want those garbage players but you need a larger pool to raise the chance of real players to be relevant.

You can do what you suggested but you will probably need to sponsor the sites to spread links on actual blogs that give real exposure. I doubt having one article on an old school magazine will raise the population much imo not that its not a bad idea.

Providing prewritten texts will be nice when the game is out so that is a good idea.

But what is the point of exposure if your game has a too steep learning curve?
I believe exposing the game to alot of people now is bad because its too hard for new players and most will dismiss it. Even ddrace is pretty intimidating with the crazy maps and powerups and if a person doesn't know how to play and they enter a hard map, they just sit around while pros drag them around. Maybe you dont want these people playing your game but a game needs to be casual as well as hardcore to be appealing and gives space for people to grow into ctf if they want to.

Here is a dumb example that that you can rip apart as i have no basis for my claims but is still realistic:
Case 1 with the  current game and ctf only: Magically teeworlds gets on the news, 100000 people see it, 25000 play it 250 enjoy ctf because they are special, word of mouth means 25 more ctf  players? so a total of 275 ctf  players?

Case 2 with a dumbed down game for little kids. existing ctf hardcore players stick around because nothing in ctf has changed: Magically teeworlds gets on the news, 100000 people see it, 25000 play it, 5000 stick around for ddrace, insta, word of mouth means 500 more players + maybe 50 from spreading further? and then when people get decent at teeworld physics and want to try something new like how i did from insta to ctf, maybe 500 go to ctf and thats an over all improvement from case 1.

Actually a real example would be something as dumb as call of duty. ITs dumbed down to hell and super popular. If a mode called "elite" just popped up and it plays exactly like counterstrike, im pretty sure more people would play that mode than counterstrike itself just because it has a larger pool of players to work with. So compare that to a dumbed down teeworlds with a ctf as its hardcore mode maybe?

More players doesn't change what ctf is as a gametype and introducing ddrace and insta as official gametypes doesnt make ctf lose players because they are already set in their hardcore ways. IT just lets people who are exposed to the game, stick around for longer and let word of mouth spread and or convert to ctf when they feel like it.

I just thought about another bad idea you may hate and that is achievements and milestones (levelling up). People just love seeing a "you have leveled up" or a "100 kills" achievement and unlocking things and geting kill sprees because it makes them happy even tho it is the dumbest thing in the world. Giving teeworlds progression might increase the amount of players suckered in to those things and let them make themselves happy while in the background, they are improving as players.

Edit: i forgot to say i think ddrace is a great game mode because it increases the use of the hook by so much. gives a new depth to the game like the guy above me said, it might suck for stealing away some less dedicated ctfrs but making it official most likely will not change the minds of ctfrs to switch to ddrace anyways and will make the game more accesible if maps were organized into difficulty or something like that. Teeworls is special because of the hook. If a game mode increases the potential uses of the hook, why is it so bad? Race should be added too imo

Don't take his answer serious, he just hates ddrace (because it's too difficult for him i guess), ddrace won't be added mostly due to the reason, that ddrace is a huge mod and requires a lot of developers time; and it's quite hard to implement ddrace and vanilla in one server program without any bugs.

okay! thanks for giving each point a fair shot

Now that i think of it, im sure the learning curve isnt actually that steep when time comes where tutorials will be added

Oh yes it is. It is a total differet game. Do you have to kill a tee or to capture a flag? No. Do you use any weapons? No. It has a different game play so it is a different game.
And we will test if accellerators might be good for vanilla teeworlds, but we won't change the standard setting "kill other tees to win".

I do not take this serious. We are actually asking the community for ideas and discuss it with them.

We've discussed this point hundreds of times before. No need to discuss it again. DDRace will not become official. Never.

i can now tell you that ddrace/race also use weapons, most important hammer/rocket, or that ctf is playable mostly without killing other tees (eg you can block flag carriers on ctf5 which is wuite effective) and definitly not "kill other tees to win".
but more important is that i clearly see that you cannot distinguish between game and gametype/mode.

lol, first of all i play since ~2006. some vanilla, insta until i found race which was and is my favourite. the reason i play ddrace that much is because sadly race is dead and it has a fun concept too.
i feel that i cant play vanilla more than half an hour without getting bored, but ddrace/race for several hours.
i do not see any concurrence in this mod, atleast it isnt for me. if i want to kill other tees i play vanilla, but if i want to take a challenge with other tees or solo i play ddrace/race. if these mod wouldnt exist i would just exit the game and play another one that offers me solo/coop challenges, and go back if i want to play vanilla.

you do not seem to know those mods very much if you say they are casual and non competitive. if you play them youll realise that their is no real limit in how good you can become, just like vanilla (which is one reason i love this game). their only big drawback is that they require a advanced knowledge of the mechanics to be played, which opposes easy to learn, but can be solved with some (real) beginnermaps or tutorials.

also you seem to be very particular when it comes to choose your playerbase. i dont know of many other game that even hopes to bind its playerbase for 1 year. but you are even unhappy if this is managed by a single mod. you just want the players who stay forever and only play vanilla.

shootmania came out 1 year ago, and now ~50% of its players play obstacle, which is a similar (also unofficial) mod to race. players want (solo) challenges, not everyone wants to kill others 24/7.

I'll repeat - even though I feel like it's useless - that there is not one tyrannical developer (and even less me, I'm not even involved in that) that decides everything against common sense.

I should have closed the topic at this point already:

This kind of topic is very recurrent and brings very few fresh arguments.

Reopened topic on request. // Dune

Teeworlds isn't a company, it's not going to invest money to get more players or something.

It's not a matter of not having money, it just looks wrong to give a prize money for contests or work.

we all do this for free. This is open source