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Yeah, any serious tournament needs an instagib section. There's a lot of players on instagib servers, and a lot of competition. The instagib community will be delighted with a tournament for them, so why not? If you're the only one who can do it, if people count on you, why not show them the best you can give them? smile

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the fact ist that most of the people who make such standart tournaments doesnt like instantgib

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We can only wonder why people don't like instagib. wink

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I like instagib but only when i play it for 1 or 2 rounds not all the time there are to many insta player who just spam laser around and luck their frags or player´s just spawn in front of you and then u got instant killed <.< thats not Competition able and the biggest point of all its just a mod not a part of the game wink

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A problem on the add_team has been detected. Sorry for this mistake, I made an update and I didn't see it hmm So if there was a problem for create a team, it's ok now. And plz pm me at masterteecup@gmail.com if there is any problem !

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What will be the reward of the winner?

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The participation is free, so there is no reward, just the satisfaction to win wink. I pay already for the server.

33 (edited by ctan 2008-09-22 10:46:46)

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Marik16 wrote:

I like instagib but only when i play it for 1 or 2 rounds not all the time there are to many insta player who just spam laser around and luck their frags or player´s just spawn in front of you and then u got instant killed <.< thats not Competition able and the biggest point of all its just a mod not a part of the game wink

This is true and false. This is a fact, there are some campers in instagib. Yes, you get sometimes respawn killed. But on all serious servers, as ~{MS}~, those campers get kicked. And in competition, there will be no campers, because good players don't do that.

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pAn!K - Hiryuu wrote:

The participation is free, so there is no reward, just the satisfaction to win wink. I pay already for the server.

You will surely be able to borrow some servers to other teams. By the way, could you answer to insta players? We really wonder why you don't want to add an insta tournament. A serious discussion would help. smile

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35 (edited by pAn!K - Hiryuu 2008-09-22 16:29:22)

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Ok, there isn't as many registrations at the ctf 6v6 tournament for the moment so I will try to test a ctf instagib 4v4. If there is a least 6 teams registered, it will be ok. I hope you will be able to make a good advertisement. And I don't pay for teeworlds server ^^ it's just my server FTP (for the website).
But I hope this won't private some players from other tournament without instagib.

It should be finish today.

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pAn!K - Hiryuu wrote:

Ok, there isn't as many registrations at the ctf 6v6 tournament for the moment so I will try to test a ctf instagib 4v4. If there is a least 6 teams registered, it will be ok. I hope you will be able to make a good advertisement. And I don't pay for teeworlds server ^^ it's just my server FTP (for the website).
But I hope this won't private some players from other tournament without instagib.

It should be finish today.

I'm glad you try it Hiryuu. We'll make some advertisement for sure, and i know at least 6 teams who will surely apply to that tourney smile

If I understand well, you won't make 4 tournaments. Max is 3, isn't it?

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It depend of the number of registration. The dm 1v1 is already validate but I don't already know for the others. And create a new ctf tournament won't help the registration for the ctf 6v6.

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Ok, so we'll wait for the registration to iCTF tournament, and applay as soon as possible.

/Eve F5 the page wink

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ctan wrote:

We really wonder why you don't want to add an insta tournament. A serious discussion would help. smile

Instagib is a further simplification of an already simple and well-balanced gameplay mechanic. It is very obvious its popularity comes as a consequence of the fact that new players want to stop being called newbs as quickly as possible when joining the online community and therefor concentrate entirely on a tiny fraction of the game at which you can get good in a matter of days rather than months.

Encouraging such a mentality is detrimental for the wider community in the long run. This is already painfully obvious if you look at the list of public servers; good all-around players have a hard time finding competition.

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KRD wrote:
ctan wrote:

We really wonder why you don't want to add an insta tournament. A serious discussion would help. smile

Instagib is a further simplification of an already simple and well-balanced gameplay mechanic. It is very obvious its popularity comes as a consequence of the fact that new players want to stop being called newbs as quickly as possible when joining the online community and therefor concentrate entirely on a tiny fraction of the game at which you can get good in a matter of days rather than months.

Encouraging such a mentality is detrimental for the wider community in the long run. This is already painfully obvious if you look at the list of public servers; good all-around players have a hard time finding competition.

Most of you know that I hate polemics, so I'll make it short. Instagib and Normal weapon can't be compared simply because these are completely different games involving completely different strategies. Although, imo they need different maps (note that in most of games it isn't the case). Insta requires different skillz, that's all.

As I said somehow, I've been playing unreal tournament series at a high level for 6 years, playing in eurocups, ESWC, many lans etc. And some of the best normal weapon players I know came from insta gib. Moreover, in unreal tournament, insta and nw (normal weapon) communities where completely unknown to each other because these were different games, as I explained. Insta is not easier, it's different. You have to move in a way that assumes that you won't be shot any time, because you are dead in one shot, and it's a pain. Nw requires life, health, weapons collecting, it's not harder... it's just different.

Ok we can speak about timing the weaps and different bonus, but in teeworlds, timing is reducted to sword = 1:30, that's all. Moreover, at least in ctf2, there are so many life, shield and weapons that timing them seems useless to me.

Different game tyes = different games. NW isn't noob, Insta isn't noob. Different communities = different tournaments.

Best regards,

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41 (edited by krrkt 2008-09-24 16:55:53)

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KRD wrote:
ctan wrote:

We really wonder why you don't want to add an insta tournament. A serious discussion would help. smile

Instagib is a further simplification of an already simple and well-balanced gameplay mechanic. It is very obvious its popularity comes as a consequence of the fact that new players want to stop being called newbs as quickly as possible when joining the online community and therefor concentrate entirely on a tiny fraction of the game at which you can get good in a matter of days rather than months.

Encouraging such a mentality is detrimental for the wider community in the long run. This is already painfully obvious if you look at the list of public servers; good all-around players have a hard time finding competition.

I don't think any of the higher rated instagib players has zero background with the official version of the game and you claim the whole instagib community is made up with players who simply fail in the official game. How can we be serious when you so obviously are not willing to be objective about something strange to you?

42 (edited by pAn!K - Hiryuu 2008-09-24 19:26:01)

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I created this instangib part 2 days ago but there is for the moment 0 team registered ! It's cool to protect your mod and I had a lot of request to add this tournament but for what ?? I hope it will change because if I won't have as many teams after all this request I don't think an other will ever create a tournament for instagib players...

edit for Somerunce: I say "his mod" because he just play on it ^^ I know that it's your mod.

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Just to clear things up, it's my mod, not his. (http://teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1472)

Good initiative to start a site like this, we need more cups and such to keep the community going. smile

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Yeah, actually i'm talking  a lot with all insta players for this cup. Let things go for a week or two, and be sure that teams will come up. Hey, communication takes time wink

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Hello,

AS you may have seen, there are two teams that applied to the iCTF tournament so far. COmmunications begins to have my expected effect, and I know that other teams are gathering their players to apply to the tournament. smile

THanks for all.

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ctan wrote:

Most of you know that I hate polemics, so I'll make it short. Instagib and Normal weapon can't be compared simply because these are completely different games involving completely different strategies. Although, imo they need different maps (note that in most of games it isn't the case). Insta requires different skillz, that's all.

Depending on the situation, every instagib strategy/skill/trick imaginable has its use in regular gameplay as well, while the opposite is far from true.

Yes, an iCTF game as a whole will look quite different to a regular CTF, but on the level of an individual player, the only question is how good you are with the regular laser rifle. Once you become good enough and play against opponents who are on the same level as you, you'll have to use everything iCTF can teach you and take into account the possibility of switching to another weapon.


krrkt wrote:

I don't think any of the higher rated instagib players has zero background with the official version of the game and you claim the whole instagib community is made up with players who simply fail in the official game. How can we be serious when you so obviously are not willing to be objective about something strange to you?

I said nothing of the sort. My only point was that instagib was more popular because it had fewer variables to take into account than the game as a whole does. I really don't see how anyone could try to deny this without looking silly. You have one weapon to attack with and one weapon to hide from, quickly resulting in repetitive movement patterns. A good example of this mentality, I feel, is the way many iDM players actually simplify the experience even more by always using the same part of a map to engage others [the sunny middle section of dm2 comes to mind].

Anyway, Teeworlds is by far not the only online game in which the community decided less was more and there's nothing wrong with that in principle. But because the game is relatively young, the negative effects of this are quite severe. If a large enough part of instagib players started playing the game properly at least half the time after a while, it would [like in ctan's UT example] even be a good thing for the vanilla community, but from what I've seen on public servers so far, the instagib players are far too comfortable and don't bother. This has already made the game less fun for me and many of the players I used to play with.

On a side note, last I checked I wasn't actually any worse at instagib than I am at vanilla Teeworlds, so please try not to look for hidden agendas in my posts. cool

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Sorry hiryuu for spamming your awesome thread, but this seems kinda important to me. I will keep it short and easy as im posting from my gay cellphone with the tiniest buttons you can imagine. To come to the point i first wanna explain that i know the most of all top insta players(even before they were top;)) and clans and i definately can say that they all are nice, polite guys. So i can be sure they wont hate me when i express my concerns bout insta gib. First of all i totally must agree with KRD. The mod itself is not comparable to UT insta cause im not sure if the devs aim to have a separated comunity with TW having a relatively small userbase. If they wanted so, they wouldnt try to invent new weps to improve the game. There are so many aspects why instagib could ruin this well concipied game that i just want it to be banned. Instagib should never get implemented in any official release due to its incredible popularity. People would think the game is all about insta and new players getting to know the game will just stick to it. Eve i understand you have much much more experience concerning online games and competition than me, but i want to give the "normal" game the respect it deserves, and not let a mod get bigger as the game itself. The game will get better known in time, as we all spread the word about it, but i dont want a nameless tee to get born on fucking "lost" (of course no personal reference to somerunce and iphone747 smile, just expressing my feelings big_smile ) I cant guess what TWs future will be with insta being unofficial, but as an official  part of the game it sure will be dark.

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I think that instagib could be cool for tournaments if you remove the laser's bounce.

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CaptainAMN, I totally agree on most of your statements. I don't care about instagib being in official releases, this is not important to me. And maybe I didn't say it, but my 6 UT2004 years were all about normal weapon. And to be honest, I didn't like insta gib. And hated CTF / iCTF (was a TDM / 1on1 player). And I agree that for new comers, instagib can be a source of satisfaction because it's easy to make frags: one shot one kill, compared to normal weapon. But I also think we cannot speak about new comers and experienced players at the same time.

By the way, what I want to emphasize is that as there are 50% insta players in the community, it seems logical to me that there should be at one insta tournament in such a big tourney. So I have to be grateful to Hiryuuu for having listened to me.

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So the question is: will the instagib clans register for the regular/vanilla CTF or TDM tournaments? I surely hope so. I myself play sometimes on Instagib servers (DM, TDM or CTF) and I totally agree with KRD's posts. Instagib is having an unfortunate negative effect on TW. I can't believe there are only two really active regular CTF1/CTF2 servers (Fun-server by Patte & Ckz's CTF2). I would gladly join the iCTF tournament, but I do hope Eve and other MS'es will be in regular CTF.

My biggest problem with instagib is the players ostracizing themselves from the regular TW players, rather than regular players not going on instagib. My second biggest problem is with their tastes... Lost and the Pirates-based maps are to me the worst things that ever happened to TW tongue. I don't understand why anyone would ever play on these maps (I like Desertcamp though). Btw I think Instagib is actually more fun in regular DM except for 1on1.

So I hope you guys will participate in the regular tournaments as well wink.