Who will decide what is useless resource consumption, automated input or non-gameplay-related features?

What is not in the official client in terms of *network* resources usage and what is not automated in the official client determine the boundaries.

How can you expect me not to take you as a troll if you don't see the obvious different between local resource usage and inappropriate resource usage on resources lent by third parties to teeworlds players? I already told you this. Since you logged our conversation on IRC I'm sure you can dig it there again.

To make it clear since you seem to have trouble understanding me: Resources not to abuse are master servers (provided by matricks) and game servers (provided by myriads of server admins who want to provide lag-free game sessions and not spend bandwidth on automated and useless client input).

I'm closing here since it's going nowhere, but you said:

That's fine with me, the conversation is over. If this http://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopi … 747#p56747 isn't explicit enough nothing will ever be.

Also Somerunce, Void, Datag, Red Com, Serp, Teetow, Chilly  Maybe anybody else, but i don't know more

yes many months ago....
i think the only ones who should be called "DEVELOPER" should be OY and MATRICKS.
But its not the right thread to discuss it i guess

but i think the rules for mods should be clear:
no changes that gives you an advantage against other players
no non-needed changes that uses server resources

on the one hand its really babyish, kaddy. You try to discuss but you dont know really what you are saying?

I know what i said Simply i want to see detailed and described rules, not these two small frazes.

Also Somerunce, Void, Datag, Red Com, Serp, Teetow, Chilly Maybe anybody else, but i don't know more Matricks, Oy, LordSkeleton, Somerunce, Red Com, Serp, Datag, Chilly and Teetow make 99% of job. If you check Rajh job, you'll see only one patch: http://teeworlds.com/trac/teeworlds/sea … mp;wiki=on

First, it's principal And second, i'm developing now four version of pack and it will be released 31 december or 1 january.

Auto reconnecting is useless resource consumption, because you reconnect, and use resources of the server, automatically, what isnt needed.

Yes if you want to call it like that, but who cares? You dont get any advantage against your opponents.

but on the other hand im asking myself either why magnet is called a "Developer", as i cant follow what he did. When i take a look into the timeline the only developer are oy, lordskelethom and matricks? :-/

#1: No useless resource consumption / automated input for stuff that is not automatic in the official client
#2: No gameplay-related features that aren't provided by the official client

Who will decide what is useless resource consumption, automated input or non-gameplay-related features?

Okay, easily:
1. Extended stat board and shadows under nameplates can be called "useless resource consumption"
2. Auto demo record and screenshots can be called "automated input for stuff that is not automatic in the official client"
3. HUD colors matching Tees' ones can be called "non-gameplay-related feature that is not provided by the official client"
I don't want to say "ban this too!" (i don't really think that it's "cheating"), i want to say "all is relative". One feature will be useless, abusing or cheating for one, but will be non-cheating and useful for another one.

It doesn't matter. Features that i listed above were in TeeComp at that time.

At the first, i want to see described, detailed rules, not this "make it and i'll select what is good and what is bad".
At the second... "Kindergarden", "troll"... Marik, Magnet, was it kindergarden or trolling?

Before this i just asked first time Magnet and Rajh about modmaking rules (so you mean that i'm exactly "smart ass"). I don't like when anybody try to show himself clever and humiliate me for nothing.
http://teeworlds.com/trac/teeworlds/sea … mp;wiki=on
Magnet, can you make something really useful or you can only ban and shout?

I'll continue discussion only when you write detailed rules or unban mods. That's all.

Do you think that all TeeComp features are not "cheating" or "abusing" (such as auto demo recording that fill your disk space)?

I really wonder how you manage to write any piece of working code considering your flawed understanding of logic. Please tell me one feature of TeeComp that goes against the ruleset I described earlier.

For the record look at the date I made the post and the object of the post before assuming I use TeeComp.

It really seems to me you're just a troll and I invite you to stop bothering me with the same fluff over and over again until you finally try to understand the rules that apply to alternative clients. It has been explained very well by others since too (namely torch, Chilly and Marik) so you should start asking yourself why you can't understand two simple rules.

Maybe some features are useless for you, but not for another one

Magnet, i have question There you're showing that you're playing TeeComp: http://qi.m0g.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=89 How it related with your words that it will be good if all players will use official version only? Do you think that all TeeComp features are not "cheating" or "abusing" (such as auto demo recording that fill your disk space)?

Such a kindergarden . Don´t act like a child just accept the setted rules and provide client mods that are not acting against this

If Magnet intends to fill his harddrive space with his demos/screens who cares it doesn´t affect you?
If someone is acting funny and changes his skin like all 5 seconds it is totally annoying and disturbting the gameplay.
If like 100 people want a slot while browsing in the internet and try to join every it is server flooding -> lag for players
If someone auto joins the server while he is afk he is keeping a slot which could be used by a player who is in front of his screen and is able to play.
less active players on the server

Magnet, i have question There you're showing that you're playing TeeComp: http://qi.m0g.net/forums/viewtopic.php?id=89 How it related with your words that it will be good if all players will use official version only? Do you think that all TeeComp features are not "cheating" or "abusing" (such as auto demo recording that fill your disk space)?

buffer wrote:

And by the way, most of Z-Team features are useless too.

You're right ^^.
My meaning was : In my opinion, most of Z-Team's client features are useless.

And by the way, most of Z-Team features are useless too.

So there is three solutions :
- You're a programmer, and you code your client.
- You download a client with many features, and enable only needed ones.
- You ask on the forum for what you would like to have.

Huh, what's that amazing in Z client for a non-rus user ?
Look at Teecomp...

Teecomp has a lots of settings yes, but when you really start looking at them you realize that most of them are actually useless...

We don't heed 1000 useless options but some features that are not provided by the official client, excuse me if I'm wrong but I thought that this was the reason we use all those client mods and not the Original game?