Teeworlds Forum — Official Aimbot Discussion

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Magnet) — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:21:22 +0000

Been there, done that. This discussion has been running in circles and is going nowhere. I'm closing it for good. Keeping it sticky for the informational purpose.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Soulbound) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:16:43 +0000

I code in C/C++ and I'm ready to go for a anti-aimbot tool. To do that we need to analyze how the aimbots work, there is the pixel by pixel method etc... so we can make a program that regroups all these things. There is two way to making it whether we make a server application that analyzes behaviors or a client and server application which can check the sources to see if they ' re corrupted, or analyzes the script started by the client. Anyways, we need to focus on that... Also I think a blacklist that the servers share is good.. I mean we can do a tool that add an ip to the ban list when this ip is getting banned and at each start of the server the application checks if its blacklist is up to date by comparing itself to the database's blacklist and if it ain't up to date it download the blacklist or add ips.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Azon) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:56:23 +0000

As said before, it's impossible to tell by whom and for reason you post was deleted. One thing that should be very clear is that we never, ever delete posts just for their content, as long as it's related to Teeworlds. Either your post was lost by accident, or there was some other reason for this. As there are many moderators it will take some investigating to retrieve any information on this issue. For now let's keep this topic on the subject. Either re-instate your previous post or contact me by mail so we can try to get this issue sorted out.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Affe_mit_Waffe) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:15:51 +0000

i wish i had a copy of my posts but now ill keep them for this forum. -_-
If some right information are "unsuitable for the forum or an interruption to the topic" then im very sorry the things are how they are and you cant change this.

And if you dont want to actualy think about what to do with Aimbotters and where the real problems are then i dont know why this topic exists.

I stopped playing TW for 3 month because a botter destroyed my server.
But now i wanted to do something about it and fight them and one day maybe bring my server back up, but if i come here and want to talk about the problems my posts get deleted.
Thats NOT good if you delete posts for rude language or something like rasism is good but if you delete them because you dont like the information thats not what admins should do they schould keep the forums clean of crap not clean of usefull informtion they dont like!
you should think about this.

|Affe mit Waffe|

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Korgo) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:32:20 +0000

What about set a "page" with person who at all never use aimbot and never will, it will be like contract.
It will have 2 lvls.
Longer lasting here and newbies.
In servers admins will do one special spect place where will you can get by rcon (http://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4358 this might by useable) with able:
at lvl longer last kick
and at newbie vote kick (that vote is about non-vote servers)
but just it need fairly take peoples to that "page" just only serious people and refresh it alot.
Might it can be page in forum what can do one moderator only repair etc...

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Azon) — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:32:30 +0000

Please understand that we only delete posts which we deem unsuitable for the forum or an interruption to the topic. If we had to personally contact every single poster about these posts we would have an extra day work just for that.

There's a very slight chance that your post might have been deleted by accident, and although unlikely, this is something we want to prevent. Therefor, if you disagree with our actions, you are hereby free to re-instate your post, and a second review will determine if there's any problem with it.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Affe_mit_Waffe) — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:59:25 +0000

why the **** do you delete my post?
was was wrong with it?
if some of the admins want to tell me something they should talk maybe not just delete posts -.-

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Pepperoni) — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:12:18 +0000

Hnit wrote:

Yes it is, but will remain limited because aimbots are only considered as cheating tools so anyone who want to make an aimbot (to participate in bots tournament) won't find easily help/community or already made work to start his work

But this is exactly what the non-cheating community wants... So why change something now? We want to keep the aimbot users limited and we want them to feel like cheaters because it is not allowed in Teeworlds.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Hnit) — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:55:17 +0000

( the gun comparison has its limits, murderers don't kill for fun Oo (etc...) )

But for now if there is one thing I and the other moderators will not be allowing is aimbots anytime soon.

I agree with you, that's aimbots are not ok with normal servers (with human players), and must not be allowed on these servers.

The problem is that aimbot doesn't not only meant cheat, it can be a real chalenge as a programmer to make aimbots, or bots tournaments (kind of IA tournament, IA so much fun )

If people want to have aimbot wars they can make a server just as we speak already and do so.

Yes it is, but will remain limited because aimbots are only considered as cheating tools
so anyone who want to make an aimbot (to participate in bots tournament) won't find easily help/community or already made work to start his work

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Pepperoni) — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:48:16 +0000

Hnit: So now your argument is we should give everyone guns, just because if they wanted to, they could get one easily.
And the murderers can murder easily so the fun goes away .

ofcourse the comparison isn't perfect, but in fact it is kind of what you are saying.

In my opinion allowing links to websites with aimbots will never be oke. If people want to have aimbot wars they can make a server just as we speak already and do so.
Ecspecially when you are saying that an aimbot is easily found.

But for now if there is one thing I and the other moderators will not be allowing is aimbots anytime soon.

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Hnit) — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:23:32 +0000

In most cases people don't use aimbots.

Those who want to use aimbot can already do it, so I don't think it will change a lot.

Q : but if aimbots are easy to get people might want to use them (cheat) more often ?
I guess the anwser is not that easy :

aimbot easy to get, so easy to cheat, so many cheaters ?
if there is many cheaters, where's the fun to cheat ?

Well, I don't think a cheater will find a real fun always playing with an aimbot and might stoping cheating

maybe a real cheater can explain to use where's the fun to cheat xD

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Pepperoni) — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:28:53 +0000

Hnit wrote:

Seriously, to continue your example, guns are lethal, but official contest with guns exists, cars are lethal but drive race exists too

To continue my example..
murdering people = using aimbot in illegal servers
official contest with guns = special servers where aimbot is allowed.

So in your eyes we should give everybody guns because there are occasions where it is allowed to use them? Even if we don't know if that person will/will not murder anybody?

{There are people who can't control their urge to ("murder")/ use aimbot in real servers where it won't be allowed. Therefor the eradication still need to excist for people that do not want aimbots in their servers. To be honest it will be even harder bacause there will be more people that have aimbot.}

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Hnit) — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:56:23 +0000

Pepperoni wrote:

You do realize that there is a contradiction in this sentence right? It's like saying I hate people who murder other people but let's give them guns

(yeah found quotes)

I said I'm crazy xD
Seriously, to continue your example, guns are lethal, but official contest with guns exists, cars are lethal but drive race exists too

It's better to have little control on aimbots than none, I think

I'm not saying that people should use aimbot, but to control aimbots (opensource) instead of trying to eradicate them (which is really hard)

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Pepperoni) — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:40:43 +0000

Hnit wrote:

maybe I went too far xD, but it'll be very hard and time expensive to fight against bots.
No one did win this kind of war, for example : drm, cracks etc...

The best thing to do is once again just play on respectable servers where there is an option to contact an admin in IRC or some other way.

Hnit wrote:

I will never use a bot, and I am sure a lot of players agree with me about this
>>> I agree with you, By Open-bot I didn't mean that's people should use bots big_smile (I really hate cheaters)

You do realize that there is a contradiction in this sentence right? It's like saying I hate people who murder other people but let's give them guns

Re: Official Aimbot Discussion

null@example.com (Hnit) — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:11:57 +0000

thx for the replies

@Pepperoni
"I will never use a bot, and I am sure a lot of players agree with me about this"
>>> I agree with you, By Open-bot I didn't mean that's people should use bots (I really hate cheaters)

"Once bots are open source there will be a battle of machines, like you said"
>> yeah that's would be fun , BUT only on dedicated servers for bots

@Azon

"... is for their own responsibility. "
>>> I agree that's is not the responasbility of TeeWorld to protect the players from viruses (or from their immaturity xD). Viruses (etc...) are a big pains, it won't hurt to reduce a little their preys

"Although you post one side of the story, ... but instead use it to damage the community."
>>> yup that's a minus for opensource bots, but it's also there's no guaranty it'll turn like this too xD
>>> If someone really want's to cheat with an aimbot , he'll be able to do it (cf google or this forum's official topic about aimbots)

"It's wrong to assert that the ... there's certainly room for improvement. "
>>> maybe I went too far xD, but it'll be very hard and time expensive to fight against bots.
>>> No one did win this kind of war, for example : drm, cracks etc...

If I were a aimbot programmer, I'll be more interested in developping opensource aimbot than those who are running and have no feedbacks on them. And if aimbot programmer develop official aimbots, then there is NO interest for them to develop non-official ones, don't you think ?

I'm sure, it's a real challenge to develop a very good aimbot. And there is a real oportunity to fun with tournaments botsVSbots (only)

"Maybe at some point in the future it would be possible to rethink our strategy on this hot issue but at the moment it isn't one of the possibilities."
>>> I wish for a great future for TeeWorld