It seems you all are doing fine, that's nice. The beauty of being part of a functional video game community...
It was fun working with you while I was up for it Oblique

//mechodownload you have some pretty boss ideas there if you ask me.

Sry but wrong, i now ppl with business and they tell me that if you sell a product 20 € more ppl got to say that something is wrong/bad... if you sell the same product 65€ far fewer people will complain, remain exactly the same product. It is illogical but it happens so

For me the problem is the goal... "best develop" who? Oy? but Teeworlds aren't made only by Oy... anybody can work to make Teeworlds best... perhaps the question is other....

You are right with your example, but I think when a product is relatively cheap (like Teeworlds would be), people would just give it a try. When a product is expensive, like in your example, many people would only buy it, if they are already convinced of the product BEFORE they bought it, so after the purchase also less people will complain. They also perceive the product as a higher-quality one. But you couldn't charge that much for a game like TW.
On Steam, on the pages of cheap games, many of the negative reviews say "even those few bucks were too much for this game". That's why I am afraid that selling Teeworlds could reduce it's Steam reputation.

You are right about the point with the developers. There are many people who only contribute occasionally, how do you want to deal with those contributions, if you were going to pay the coders?

But the discussion is fairly senseless anyway, as Teeworlds will stay free no matter what.

IcyPRO wrote:

The warning has been given. Their fate is now their own.

I think it is not completely clear that making Teeworlds cost money will actually benefit it.
If somebody acutally paid for a product and he still dislikes it, he will more likely write a bad rating. This will not happen as often if nobody actually charges for the game. In this case most people will just think "I don't like the game, but I didn't paid for it, so I don't care".
Games with bad reputation will not be successful on Steam. The better Teeworlds is rated, the more people will likely play it.

Sry but wrong, i now ppl with business and they tell me that if you sell a product 20 € more ppl got to say that something is wrong/bad... if you sell the same product 65€ far fewer people will complain, remain exactly the same product. It is illogical but it happens so

For me the problem is the goal... "best develop" who? Oy? but Teeworlds aren't made only by Oy... anybody can work to make Teeworlds best... perhaps the question is other....

The warning has been given. Their fate is now their own.

I think it is not completely clear that making Teeworlds cost money will actually benefit it.
If somebody acutally paid for a product and he still dislikes it, he will more likely write a bad rating. This will not happen as often if nobody actually charges for the game. In this case most people will just think "I don't like the game, but I didn't paid for it, so I don't care".
Games with bad reputation will not be successful on Steam. The better Teeworlds is rated, the more people will likely play it.

...Tell me a business model that involves selling free software....

For example, Odoo ERP: https://www.odoo.com/apps

** All modules uses AGPL license.

Dune wrote:

Teeworlds is open source and will always be.
With this in mind, I hardly see how you want to sell the game.

.. GNU quote ..

Click me or don't. I know you will.

This is always brought up in discussions like this and I believe it has little value. Tell me a business model that involves selling free software. It doesn't work. The first user that buys your product is can just to release its source for free, or provide the product for a lower price. Just because it's not illegal to sell free software doesn't mean it's actually useful (at least for end-user software such as Teeworlds).

But all that doesn't matter! Teeworlds will remain free both as in beer and as in speech.

Teeworlds is open source and will always be.
With this in mind, I hardly see how you want to sell the game.

Click me or don't. I know you will.

If you get money... who gets it? 2 lines of code = 0,10cents? more ppl works free but only few gets money?

I can understand pay for server maintenance... but in open-source for "developing best" ummm no... i think that can be worst for that purpose.

The fact it's open-source is nice, good for modders (and hackers) but MODS ARE NOT official part of the game.
Money would go to the official developers, that would have some certain goals with the game progress, not to the community.

Take Don't Starve as an example:
We get regular official content updates (which they can afford to do since they EARNED something of the game), even though it's pretty much 90% open-source game. And thanks to that there can be bunch of mods that make the game even more fun, but those modders don't get a cent for their work. They did it as a fans, because they enjoy playing the game and want to make it even better than it is.

But without the official game progress, without the updates, news and all that stuff the game won't be known for long and will get back to it's previous state at which it is right now.

If developers are fine with that, then so be it...

Lol, where did the donation button go ?

I believe it was removed because we collected more than enough money to maintain servers on the long run. That's the only thing Teeworlds needs money for.

I'd prefer if there was some kind of donation button on steam and on the website again and that people would know how much they have got to donate in order for it to be more than the fees paypal takes. Or maybe some bitcoin donation wallet.

If you get money... who gets it? 2 lines of code = 0,10cents? more ppl works free but only few gets money?

I can understand pay for server maintenance... but in open-source for "developing best" ummm no... i think that can be worst for that purpose.

Teeworlds is free! if not i go to work on release it free

Says a lot about you actually...

I personally would want to pay for this game 5€ and it wouldn't seem too much for me at all, as long as I would see that the game is developing and getting regular updates that makes it even better.

Try to understand, asking money for a game that was once free may enrage you, but if you see a bigger picture in the future you would be thankful that they ever made that decision. (And it's not like they would ask money for the same exact game that was once free, but a game that would include exciting new features when arriving on Steam - at least that's what I expected when they announced Teeworlds arrival on Steam.)

Of course I don't want Teeworlds developer team to make a cashgrab out of their game, just give it some value, so that they can hire a team that could push the game forward. If you don't get it, then I don't know what else should I say.